Having domains names and maintaining renewal fees is one cost that is fixed as a domainer (more or less).  That we all know.  But if you are in the market to sell domains (or keep them), what is a way to evaluate and put a price on domains? If there really is a best way, I don’t know it myself, and I have asked longtime domainers and people in the industry for a ballpark figure of value in the past on a specific domain, and it’s hard to get a solid answer.  I can understand why, because if anyone knows the secret sauce, it’s not for public comsumption.

Let’s look at some ideas on various tools and methods leading to domain valuation:

1. Domain value estimator tools: I always feel hopeful that one day I will stumble upon this wonderful tool, and know one else will know. The first one that comes to mind is Estibot.  I kinda like the feel of entering something and getting an answer that looks reasonable, if not necessarily usable.  I tried it on the domain I sold for $1,180 at silent auction – OrganicBakeries.com – and Estibot gave it a value of $400.  Glad I didn’t base my auction reserve on that price! It’s a place to start though, but not where I’d go if I am looking for a serious number.

Next I tried Nameboy.  You enter the domain and extension and your e-mail and they mail the results.  I would enter the results here, but I checked my e-mail and nothing yet, so I will let you know tomorrow in an update. You can bulk enter domains if you have a list, and there is no limit mentioned.  Maybe you need to send it during the day, but I am sure this is all automated.  Still Nameboy claims:

Instant – Emailed to you in seconds
Accurate – Appraisals based on demand and currency of words on the internet.
Objective – Consistent, industry standard metrics – no guessing, no bias.

Next, I tried DomainValuation.com.  I have never tried this site before.  It looks good in that they say they are recommended by Domaining.com (The About Us doesn’t really say who they are). They also say:

For a limited time we are proud to give you access to our famous domain name valuation service at NO charge.
This is the same system used by elite domain professionals who need to quickly valuate domain portfolios.

I submitted OrganicBakeries.com and another domain I haven’t sold, but thinking about selling, just to see what they come up with.  Again, I entered the names and fiirst name and e-mail, and this time the site said I will receive a value within 24 hours. Update in the next post.

2. Overture results: Does anyone still use Overture results to evaluate domains? Even after Overture’s Search Tool was shut down some long time domainers were buying Overture databases to use as one metric to evaluate domains. I never understood why since the data was out of date and in the SEO industry, Overture results were considered skewed at best and maybe even manipulated by some.  There has to be something to Overture numbers or domainers would have gone elsewhere.  Right now Overture is dead anyway, and some people are relying on Wordtracker for search result numbers, but I don’t know about this either.

Oh Wait! There is a remnant of November 2007 Overture numbers here, for those domainers who can’t resist!  Thank Chris Beach everyone.

Well, let’s see what the domain tool results are and continue the list in Part II tomorrow.  Have a great night!

I got an e-mail from Snapnames that Moniker is accepting domain submissions for the next live auction.  Personally, I have had some luck getting a few of my domains into the silent portion of a live auction before, and it was an easy way to sell a few names at a decent price.  You might find, too, that live auctions can be a way to put a bunch of your best domains into a pool for potential sale within a reasonably short time frame.

 

There is an art to submitting domains for live auction in order to, first (and importantly), get your domains into the live auctions.  Then secondly, to obtain a sales price you’ll be happy with.  I’ve been thinking about these things as I consider submitting some domains to the next live auction at TRAFFIC Silicon Valley.

 

Certainly there’s a lot of debate lately between domain sellers, the auction houses (including a series on pricing by Sahar of Bido.com), and conference producers on the best viewpoint and action to take in pricing a domain(s) for auction.  Seems to me, the people with the interest in selling the domain, are very vocal about setting a low (or even no) reserve on domains submitted to these auctions.  I asked my sales rep at Moniker for some input on setting a reserve on domains. He was reluctant to make any suggestions, so I was on my own as to the best course of action for pricing a reserve. Do I go for getting the domain into the auction (low reserve) or pricing to get what I think is a fair price, and lose a chance for the domain to get into the auction in the first place?

 

In my own experience, I submitted some organic keyword.com domain names to a live auction, and decided to put a low reserve on them to see what would happen. My domain OrganicBakeries.com ($1,000 reserve) was accepted into the silent auction alongside some other good organic keyword domains.  But I was pretty shocked to see that the other OrganicKeyword.com domains had reserves starting at $25,000 and up!  Two or three of those domains did sell at that price level, and mine sold, too, for $1,180. 

 

You know, a $1,000 reserve is low enough to create some interest and bidding at a live auction, but if the domain gets included in the silent auction, someone will pick up that domain at a steal.  Maybe the auction houses should consider allowing 2 reserves per domain, one if the domain gets into the live auction and one for the silent auction.  Somehow I doubt they’ll go for this idea, because domain sales add up (even small ones), and sales numbers sell auctions.

 

If you are thinking about getting some domains into a live auction, here is what Snap sent in a recent e-mail as their submission guidelines:

 

1. Submit up to 250 of your very best domains. They should be the “rock stars” of your portfolio.

Important: No typos, trademarks, hypenated or crude adult names will be accepted for the T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Silicon Valley Auction.

 

2. One- and two-word domains are always the most attractive to buyers, especially when they represent the following:
A popular commerce and/or seach engine vertical (e.g. travel, debt relief, jobs, music)

Word(s) or phrase that is easy to remember and spell (e.g. meaningful when spoken together, such as GoForIt.com rather than ForItGo.com)

 

3. Reserve pricing is the ultimate factor in leading to a successful auction.

Consider the following when setting your reserve prices:

Set the reserve price low to attract buyers’ attention and drive market excitement. Buyer participation drives the price up.

Remember the reserve price is not a “Buy It Now” price. In fact, good domains with a reserve under $1,000 are almost guaranteed to make the auction catalogue.

Additionally, good names priced at “No Reserve” perform the best at auctions and drive the most competition and interest.

 

4. Domains with Traffic and Revenue performance also do well in auctions.

Make sure that the traffic and revenue data you are submitting is accurate and from a reliable and verifiable source (e.g. DomainSponsor).

 

Just FYI, I have sold FineWhiskies.com, NaturalSnackFood(s).com and OrganicBakeries.com at these auctions in the past, and plan trying this sales avenue again.  I haven’t decided the best way to approach reserves, but I know that the market pricing for domains (not Premium one word domains, like the recent Toys.com sale) is down.

 

Anybody else out there who’ve submitted to Live auctions, and what was your experience?  What do you think about pricing and reserves for live and silent auctions? 

 

 

 

I spoke about Mystery Domain Auction last week and warned you all about taking part in the auction.

I logged in today as I was curious about how the bidding was going and noticed that the owner has shut down the site. In it’s place is this message :

Following legal advice obtained as a result of concerns raised by fellow domaining bloggers and some NamePros members about the legality of an all-pay auction in the US where this site is hosted in addition to consideration of the problems I may face at the end of the auction in case more than one person bids with the same amount which is very likely I have decided that the best option is to cancel this auction effective immediately.

All bids have now been refunded.

All affiliates that made sales have been paid out of my own pocket.

I wasn’t aware that the site was breaking any rules but I’m glad it has been closed down as a lot of people would have lost a lot of money. Again, beware of websites which offers deals which sounds too good to be true, 99.9% of the time they are!

John Motson, owner of DN Expert, launched his new site Mystery Domain Auction a few days ago. The website promotes itself as a 50 day auction with the highest bid winning a domain worth $10,000 or $10,000 in cash.

Bids are incremented by $0.01 each time. If the bids reach around $147 John will have met his $1,000,000 target. Yes he is hoping to make 1 million dollars through this website and give $10,000 back. Doesn’t sound like a good deal does it?

Before I give my opinion of this site, I encourage you to visit the site itself and also check out some recent reviews of the service.

Mystery Domain Auction

In essence this competition is just a variation of the age old pyramid scheme. The only people who will do well out of this is the owner John Motson, the winning bidder and affiliates. Everyone else who has bidded would have been as well throwing their money down a drain. Also, I would personally question any website which tried to promote this service to me : Would you promote a poor service to your readers if it made you money?

I have nothing against the owner of this site but a lot of people appear to be dazzled and confused by the sales page on the site and think that they are getting a deal, believe me, YOU’RE NOT!

The main selling point is that you get a link on the highest bid page. Yes, if you are willing to pay a few dollars of your money you can get a text link on a page which has no page rank. Sure you may get a few visits from the page but that traffic is likely to be invcredibly untargeted so adsense would be a much cheaper and better option for you.

Also, if the high bid page does get a PageRank in the next Google PR update, there will be so many outgoing links on the page that each link will only get a tiny amount of PR juice (if any). I thought most domainers were quite savvy with most web development issues but clearly many do not know how PageRank works.

If you disagree with me then please feel free to send me a few dollars and I will gladly create a links page here with 100 or so links and place your link on it. ;)

Bottom line, don’t waste your money with this website. If you end up winning the auction then I will be the first to congratulate you but if you don’t, you have simply thrown your money away.

If you want a link to your website badly then exchange links with a related website or write an article for a related blog. Don’t pay money to have your link on a low traffic page with hundreds of links on it.

Good luck,
Kevin

We Got DomainTyler Cruz posted about a great site for searching for domain names last week called We Got Domain.

We Got Domain searches for the latest domain name sales on dnforum, digitalpoint, sitepoint, namepros, ebay, domainforums and domainstate. you can then search for the domain you want using a wide range of options including hypens, PageRank, Yahoo Backlinks etc.

The results displays the price of the domain, creation and expiration date and provides a link to the sales thread in the corresponding forum.

We Got Domain

I think this is a great little site. It’s very hard to find a bargain on domain trading sites like Sedo which is why I prefer looking for domains on forums. This script makes it much easier to do that. I’m sure you’ll find it useful :)

Link : We Got Domain



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